December 12, 2004 Meeting
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST
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Transcript team: Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Varda
Before-meeting
Meeting Begins
Membership:
Beregond-(V) using VBeregond could not enter, but sent
a hello.
Fladrif-(V) sent
greetings.
ALOHA5463
on AIM is not to be
invited.
Webwork:
Tolkien Encyclopedia: new poem "Melkor"
Links: Card game nazgul;
language page
WoW page
Gaming:
Battle for
Middle-earth
WC3: WarCraft3/The Frozen Throne
WotR: War of the Ring
WoW:
How
to chat in different windows. Later put on Forum and planned for
guild's WoW site tips.
Making guild branch next week on
the Lothar server (Eastern).
Meet at StormWind, Cathedral of Light
Temple just outside the front. Guild escort can be available at
tram, and another for Night Elves at Ruth.... at the south end of
Teldrassil at the Hippogryph Master.
Tabard discussion. Links to
tabards and how to make. Tentatively chose flaming sword as the Secret
Flame of Eru.
Potential colors mentioned, nothing
chosen.
Practiced and we did this after the
meeting, even bringing in the most distant night elves. Be sure to
update your friend list.
WoW:
Tolkien:
See Before-meeting:
Did Frodo
ever kill anything? by Ar-Pharazon
Elf-healers usually
abstained from killing, by Eonwe
Colors of the Istari,
by Thranduil
Before-meeting:
You have just entered room "Valar Guild
Meetingplace."
Eonwe Valar: Hey :}
VardaValar1: Hi there
VardaValar1: Figured we could be afk
in the
chat room as well as just sitting around solo
Musics4Me2: heh
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Olwe, do you have World
of
WarCraft?
FallenGlory: Getting it for
christmas :-)
Eonwe Valar: BTW, I got Redemption
last
night, so if we group and you die, I can
bring you back after the battle :}
VardaValar1: Great!
Eonwe Valar: Congrats
Olwë :}
FallenGlory: I had planned on
purchasing it
yesterday, but it was hinted to me that that
might not be such a good idea, heh
VardaValar1: A handy paladin you
are,
Auros :-)
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Kinda spoils the
surprise to
know though, doesn't it? :}
VardaValar1: just a hint, heh
FallenGlory: heh, I'm not really any
less
happy about getting the game now that its
hinted that I will, saves me $90 (for the
game and card)
VardaValar1: Nice!
FallenGlory: quite so, heh
VardaValar1: You do know we're on
Lothar
server, right?
FallenGlory: wasn't aware of that
VardaValar1: And you can tell us
your name
on the Forum
VardaValar1: We have a Forum section
just
for that, under World of WarCraft
VardaValar1: Now you know!
Xseanzee disco has entered the room.
FallenGlory: So long as I get some
kind of
reminder after christmas, I'll be sure to do
just that : )
Eonwe Valar: And knowing is half the
battle
:}
VardaValar1: We have the info in the
Forum
and the News if that helps
FallenGlory: Alrighty
VardaValar1: And feel free to ask :-)
VardaValar1: I check my email most
days
FallenGlory: Cool stuff
Eonwe Valar: As do I :}
VardaValar1: We are trying to drag
10
people onto Lothar to set up the guild
VardaValar1: We seem to be scattered
all
over, so feel free to spread the word about
where we are
FallenGlory: Heh, okay.
FallenGlory: I find it surprising
that you don't
have over ten by now
FallenGlory: I would have figured
that people
would have flooded in
VardaValar1: They have to tell us
they are
on, their name, and be on Lothar
VardaValar1: For instance you didn't
know
to be on Lothar
VardaValar1: And Eonwe is our branch
leader
VardaValar1: Me too, Olwe
ArPharazonV: ok, done and back
VardaValar1: Hoping we can get ten
together
on a meeting day, like today
VardaValar1: Welcome back, Phar
ArPharazonV: quite the productive
day..
ArPharazonV: I spent all day playing
the lotr
board game, as well as several lotr maps in
tft
ArPharazonV: pc still in aftershock
it seems,
internet pages loading a little slowly...
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: tomorrow I'm going to
buy the
EE Rotk :-)
VardaValar1: Congrats!
VardaValar1: I've been told not to
:-)
ArPharazonV: and last night I
finished 'the
great river'... leaving me one chapter away
from the end of the fellowship
VardaValar1: Great!
VardaValar1: Say, does that mean
you'll be
able to come up with a subject during the
Tolkien section? :-)
ArPharazonV: I have a question...
something
that was brought up during a lotr map
ArPharazonV: not really topicworthy
ArPharazonV: did Frodo
actually slay
anything?
VardaValar1: um
VardaValar1: Stabbed, but did he
ever kill?
ArPharazonV: that's my question, yes
VardaValar1: Good question
VardaValar1: Now it will bother me
and I
will have to dig around
ArPharazonV: :-)
VardaValar1: With all that fighting,
how could
he not have?
VardaValar1: Guess all those
protectors
around him might have kept him from
needing to
ArPharazonV: it's already stated Sam
slew his
first orc in Moria, but Frodo...
ArPharazonV: and Pippin slew an
orc-chieftain at the black gate
VardaValar1: Eowyn says he probably
at
least stepped on a few bugs
ArathornValar has left the room.
VardaValar1 has left the room.
Musics4Me2 has left the room.
MaglorV has left the room.
ArPharazonV has left the room.
FallenGlory has left the room.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
FallenGlory has entered the room.
ArPharazonV has entered the room.
MaglorV has entered the room.
MaglorV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV has entered the room.
FallenGlory has entered the room.
Xseanzee disco has entered the room.
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: and indirectly killed
Gollum
ArPharazonV: what just happened?
VardaValar1: That was weird
Eonwe Valar: An interesting note
from HoME
that might be related to the topic: Elf Healers
usually abstained from battle and killing
Eonwe Valar: aye, I noticed it too.
They
must've kicked me because it said I left and
I know I didn't make me leave :}
VardaValar1: Elrond?
ArPharazonV: Sam slew an orc in
moria, and
if I remember, a few orcs at Cirith Ungol...
Eonwe Valar: As an example, aye Varda
ArPharazonV: Pippin slew a chieftain
at the
black gate...
ArPharazonV: Merry probably killed a
few at
Amon Hen...
ArPharazonV: but not sure about that
VardaValar1: Frodo had a lot of
targets
available. Seems he should have killed some
MaglorV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: I'll get an actual
quote for the
Tolkien discussion if you like, but I recall
that they believed they could heal better if
they did not kill.
ArPharazonV: Aiya, all
Gamatzgamatz has entered the room.
Gamatzgamatz: hello to all
VardaValar1: Aiya!
VardaValar1: Thranduil :-)
Eonwe Valar: heya :}
Gamatzgamatz: :-D
MaglorV: Aiya
Gamatzgamatz: i think i should change
my sn
Gamatzgamatz: to thranduilV
VardaValar1: Your character is in
our text rp.
Hope you don't mind my talking for you
VardaValar1: That would be nice : )
Gamatzgamatz: lol np
VardaValar1: O good : )
VardaValar1: Meeting hasn't quite
started
yet, officially, if you want to make it now
ArPharazonV: I've been rethinking my
whole
optional quest-thingy, and might have to
make a late edit to my last post
VardaValar1: Aren't second thoughts
fun? : )
Gamatzgamatz: ok
ArPharazonV: seems a bit more
realistic with
the new changes
ArPharazonV: although in my post,
the only
thing I have to change is this:
ArPharazonV: I've picked up some
useful
information here. They did not go careful
with their secrets, as they did not expect my
rescue."
ArPharazonV: but the real change is
the entire
background of the sub-story, and I'm glad I
haven't mentioned any of that yet :-)
VardaValar1: Handy
VardaValar1: And never blab secrets
in front
of prisoners ; )
ArPharazonV: right, but that's not
the point
VardaValar1: Never gloatingly tell
your plans
to the heroes
TheodenValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Sorry, I digress
ArPharazonV: the point is that he
picked up
the important information before he got
captured, not after
VardaValar1: Hal, Theoden-King!
ArPharazonV: so that'll have to go
VardaValar1: That would be sticky,
alright
Eonwe Valar: *All Right Goldfinger.
At least
tell me your plans for world domination.*
VardaValar1: Right, Eonwe : )
Gamatzgamatz: i dont believe it
ThranduilV
and Thranduil V is taken
Eonwe Valar: Goldfinger *laughs* Oh,
I'm
not falling for that again.
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: We had previous
Thranduils.
Might be why
ArPharazonV: most important reason
for my
change: Menel pointed out the absurdity of
bringing Orcish prisoners to Thranduil
VardaValar1: Aye. Just lop off heads
and be
done : )
Gamatzgamatz: "no comment" - Thranduil
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: An Elf take orcish
prisoners?
VardaValar1: Not much point
ArPharazonV: which meant I had to
change
the keeper of the information from the Orcs
to the brother
Gamatzgamatz: BRB
Gamatzgamatz has left the room.
ArPharazonV: which meant I had to
change
the source of the information
ArPharazonV: which grew into a
radical
change in the entire background
ArPharazonV: on second thought,
'what'
would have been better in my above
sentences...
Eonwe Valar: aye, like why a group
of orcs
would be smart enough to have plans and
not smart enough to keep it from the
prisoner? :}
VardaValar1: Most likely the plans
were not
made to the orcs, nor confided to them
VardaValar1: Although some pick up a
bit,
such as Grishnakh
ArPharazonV: so, I'll change my
post... just
not sure how
ArPharazonV: the exact wording
Eonwe Valar: aye, that is the tough
part Phar
ArPharazonV: ok, let's try this...
gonna edit
right now...
VardaValar1: It will come to you at
midnight
Eonwe Valar: Hmm is this all we can
drag
into the meeting?
ArathornValar has entered the room.
Thranduil Valar has entered the room.
ArathornValar: well that's dumb...
Eonwe Valar:
?
Thranduil Valar: finally a new name
ArathornValar: got booted from room
Eonwe Valar:
aye
MaglorV: Nearly everyone did
VardaValar1: We all had a giant
boot, or
nearly all
Grimbold V has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Eru must have hiccuped
ArathornValar: Silly Aim *sigh*
VardaValar1:
Aiya Grimbold
Grimbold V: Aiya!
ArathornValar: or sneezed
VardaValar1:
Aye
ArPharazonV: I've picked up some
useful
information on our mission, and didn't get a
chance to relay most of it to my companions
before we were captured."
ArPharazonV: perhaps this would fit
better...
ArPharazonV: really late edit... 8
days later :P
VardaValar1: That's ok, didn't wreck
the
story line
VardaValar1: Beregond
says his sign
in is
blocked
VardaValar1: Any ideas?
ArPharazonV: not sure, haven't
experienced
the problem
ArathornValar: to aim?
VardaValar1:
yes
VardaValar1: VBeregond
ArPharazonV: btw, sorry I missed
last
meeting, I saw a few interesting topics
ArPharazonV: first of all, I had
just read it,
and recognized the reference to Sting, with
the troll... not sure if you remember
VardaValar1: Maybe you could bring
them
back up at Tolkien time. Most can be
re-chewed from different directions
ArPharazonV: but most importantly,
ALOHA5463
VardaValar1: Frodo stabbed the troll
in the
foot
VardaValar1: when Boromir's sword
could
not
ArPharazonV: yes, that was it... I
had just
read it like one day before :-)
Thranduil Valar: hey guys, sorry to
interrupt,
but are the istari
labeled in colors by any
chance?
ArathornValar: my list sasys Vberegond
is offline :-\
ArPharazonV: anyway, I saw you
discussing
ALOHA5463 last week... she's contacted
me often in the last few weeks
ArPharazonV: istari? colors? you
mean blue,
brown, grey, and white?
VardaValar1: Thranduil, you are not
interrupting yet. And they do have colors
ArPharazonV: and after that many
colours,
and again white?
VardaValar1: Gandalf the Grey, or
White
VardaValar1: Saruman was White, but
took
Many Colors, not a Valar idea but his own
VardaValar1: Radagast the Brown
VardaValar1: The Blue Wizards Alatar
and
Pallando
Thranduil Valar: lol kool
TheodenValar: V Beregond cant get on
AoL
and we belive this is the problem
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/10/0
45226&tid=120&tid=215
ArPharazonV: the Blue
Wizards, aye, the
ones who left to the East
Thranduil Valar: were they fond of the
sea or
sky?
Thranduil Valar: due to the color?
Eonwe Valar: Ok, so what info did
you have
on Aloha5463, because this person just sent
me a message for the third week in a row
ArPharazonV: and probably did a
great favor
to Middle-Earth by dispersing the eastern
peoples enough so that they did not all come
in one mass...
ArPharazonV: ALOHA5463? we had quite
the conversation last week
ArPharazonV: says the name is Hannah
McPartlan, from Hawaii
ArPharazonV: relatively confusing
speech and
grammar, still not sure if she's actually a
bot...
ArathornValar: I, robot <grin> :-P
ArPharazonV: :-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe well that's not
good,..
Eonwe Valar: the one time I accepted
her
message and tried to ask the person if I
could be of assistance, the answer was no
ArPharazonV: yup, that sounds like
her
ArPharazonV: today she asked me if I
lived in
a house, and that I had to answer yes or no
ArPharazonV: to test the bot-ness, I
answered 'yeah'
VardaValar1 has left the room. (Note: this was a crash)
Eonwe Valar: If I get something like
that,
she's going on my ignore list
ArPharazonV: she got quite angry,
said that
was not the answer she was looking for, and
told I was too stupid for it anyway...
ArPharazonV: small argument, and I
haven't
spoken to her since
Eonwe Valar: oh then she should go
on my
ignore list anyway :}
ArPharazonV: before I suspected she
was a
bot (FM suggested that idea to me), I asked
her if she got my username from the
Valarguild-site... pretty stupid thing to do,
actually...
ArathornValar: hmm.. Varda left..
Eonwe Valar:
aye
ArathornValar: odd
ArPharazonV:
she doesn't like Lotr, though,
she says
ArPharazonV: has no interest in the
Guild
Eonwe Valar: then she has no
business with
us
ArPharazonV: and upon the inquire
why she
contacted me anyway, she said she was
'board'
ArPharazonV: so she added all the
names
from the list
Eonwe Valar: really? what kind of
board?
cardboard, gameboard, poster board? :}
ArPharazonV: bored, with one of the
many
spelling-errors she often makes...
Grimbold V: heh...if you ask me she
should've
said "Borg" cause that's what she is acting
like if you ask me lol
Eonwe Valar: I know PHar :}
ArPharazonV: for somebody living in
a
US-state, she isn't that good in English
ArPharazonV: and yet, 17 years old
Grimbold V: "resistance is futile,
you shall
always see my poor use of grammar and
from then on use it, Assimilation is coming"
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, we should start
the
meeting :}
ArathornValar: er.. did you hear banjo
music in the background? <snortle>
ArPharazonV:
asimmmilimation...
top
Meeting Begins:
Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn
Omentielvo
Eonwe Valar: Membership: Same as last
week
Grimbold V: ok am I the only
trekkie
here...yikes *retreats to his
corner*....er...sorry
ArPharazonV: lol, I know who the
Borg are
ArPharazonV: I'm a fan, not a real
trekkie
though
Eonwe Valar: No, I've watched Star
Trek as
well, just we should get the meeting moving
:}
TheodenValar: I'll be logging off
now,
hopefully back later. I just pray that
my bios gets fixed on this try.
ArPharazonV: Namarie
Eonwe Valar: GL Theoden :}
TheodenValar has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Anyone have any member
news?
ArPharazonV: well, Fladrif
visited
me this
afternoon, so he's still alive...
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Thanks, Grimbold
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
ArPharazonV: you were offline in my
list, or I
would have invited you
ArPharazonV: still are, btw
VardaValar1: Thanks all :-)
VardaValar1: Still offline?
ArPharazonV: yup
Eonwe Valar: WB Varda :} do you have
any
member news? :}
FINARFIN010 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Sorry, no
Eonwe Valar: Fladrif visited with
Phar was
our last tidbit of member news :}
VardaValar1: Aiya
FINARFIN010: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
ArathornValar: ok, Thranduil's new ID
added to Quickaim page :-)
VardaValar1: Yay Thranduil and
Arathorn : )
Eonwe Valar: Beregond still working
on
getting in, so hopefully he'll make it :}
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Eonwe Valar: On to Web news:
ArPharazonV: (Aloha just signed off,
in case
you want to know :-))
ArathornValar: er guess I jumped the
gun on web news :-P
Eonwe Valar: Varda has some Web news
:}
VardaValar1: Tolkien Encyc:
VardaValar1: New Poetry:
VardaValar1: "Melkor"
by Georgia Stone
VardaValar1:
http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/po
etry/Melkor.htm
VardaValar1: She is
considering full
membership, and will at least join as a
Tolkien-only
VardaValar1: Wants the Indis name,
in either
case
VardaValar1: Under Links/ Languages:
VardaValar1: Mellonath Daeron is helpful
VardaValar1: Quenya, Sindarin, and
writing
systems Tengwar and Cirth
VardaValar1: Also
VardaValar1: Oh, that link
ArathornValar: Ahhh Finwe's wife (2nd
anyway)
VardaValar1:
http://www.forodrim.org/daeron/md_home.
html
VardaValar1: Had good
kids ; )
ArathornValar: indeed
ArPharazonV:
yeah, the two good ones of the
three...
VardaValar1: A Nazgul
link
VardaValar1: has a lot about the
card game
Nazgul
VardaValar1: nice to help
role-playing, since
Tolkien did not go into them much
ArPharazonV: with a female Nazgul, I
read
=-O
VardaValar1: But has some blatant
disagreements with the books, so beware
VardaValar1: Yes
VardaValar1:
http://www.rockjakten.com/nazgul_html/ind
ex.html
VardaValar1: Still
fun reading and seeing the
pictures
VardaValar1: That's all my web news
ArPharazonV: so if Tolkien never got
into
them
ArPharazonV: this is just pure
speculation and
fiction?
ArPharazonV: well, leaving out the
fact that
Tolkien is fiction as well
VardaValar1: Part is, part is
Tolkien, part is
wrong
VardaValar1: hehe, aye
Eonwe Valar: Any more web news?
Eonwe Valar: As a reminder, we do
have a
WoW site
ArathornValar: hmm sort of web and
game news mine..
ArathornValar: more game I guess
MaglorV:
And I am trying to keep it updated
:-)
Eonwe Valar: maintainted by Maglor
Eonwe Valar: er, maintained :}
ArathornValar: heh.. my news related to
that...
Eonwe Valar:
Go ahead Arathorn :}
ArPharazonV: the witch-king...
numenorean
prince... oh well...
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Gaming:
ArathornValar: ok, has to do with chat
in WoW..
VardaValar1:
WoW page may be reached
from guild's index
ArathornValar: I find that the chat is
kind of mixed up with all the
messages so...
VardaValar1:
http://www.geocities.com/maglorv/
ArathornValar: I created separate chat
windows and named them the
specific chat type...
Eonwe Valar:
THanks Varda,.. my attempt at
getting a link for everyone here didn't work
:}
ArathornValar: i.e. Party, Whisper, etc
VardaValar1:
*curtsies*
ArathornValar: Then I set ONLY that
type of chat message 'on'
VardaValar1:
If we ever get our guild going,
we will have a guild channel for chat too
VardaValar1: How, Arathorn?
ArathornValar: yeha, can Ad a Guild
window then too
Eonwe Valar:
Aye, tell us how :}
ArathornValar: getting to that Varda ..
heh...
ArathornValar: I was thinkign Maglor
could put the instuctions on the
site...
ArathornValar: You Right-click the
'General' chat tab..
ArathornValar: Choose "Create new
window"...
ArathornValar: Then right click on the
new window's tab...
ArathornValar: and set only the chat
values/types you want to appear
there.. forget the exact menu option
..
ArathornValar: runnign WoW now to
check..
Menelvagor
Valar has
entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
ArathornValar: SO then you have extra
tabs in your chat area and can click
on them to see the messages
separated :-)
Grimbold V: Only drawback I have
noticed
w/ making a new chat window...is that you
have to switch back and forth between tabs
often if you wish to view General chat for
trades or general information
ArPharazonV: are you still informed
of
messages in tabs you currently have not
selected?
ArathornValar: You STILL have the
General tab to go to for all
messages
ArathornValar: I keep General on all
the time and ONLY switch to party
or whisper to see if I missed
anything :-)
Grimbold V: However..you can pull
the
window into a new part of the screen...for
example Normaly there are 2 chat
windows...General and combat....I have
pulled the combat chat window to the right
hand side instead of it being underneath
Grimbold V: the general tab
ArPharazonV: would that not clutter
up your
screen, hindering your view?
Grimbold V: so I have 2 chat
windows at
same time 1 on left "General" and 1 on right
"Combat" so I can see both chats at same
time
Grimbold V: you can shrink it to
only show a
few lines
Grimbold V: or make bigger to see
like a
page in a book depending on your
preference
ArPharazonV: I remember Asherons
Call 2...
the trial-period...
ArathornValar: Do you just drag it
Grim?
Grimbold V:
Aye
Grimbold V: "drag-n-drop" type
method
ArPharazonV: the new windows were
always
seperated, and at times you could miss vital
information in the view itself...
ArathornValar: Ok good.. I wanted to
do that but wasn';t working for
some reason.. trying again...
Grimbold V:
I believe you have to click on the
tab itself...keep it clicked and then move
Grimbold V: to adjust the
side...just click on
the window "frame" itself
Grimbold V: side=size
ArathornValar: all a matter of
preference Ar-phar. Can leave them
together if you prefer.
Grimbold V:
If you will excuse me I must go
attend an emergency at the clinic....if there
are any ?'s please send a Pm and I'll get
back as soon as I can. Namarie for now
ArPharazonV: Namarie
ArathornValar: Namarie
Xseanzee
disco has left
the room.
FINARFIN010: Namarie
VardaValar1:
Namarie
ArathornValar: rats, lost my WoW
partner :-P
VardaValar1: And thanks
VardaValar1: Just for now
VardaValar1: Emergencies end
Eonwe Valar: Thanks for the info
Arathorn
and Grimbold :}
ArathornValar: <pout> :-P
VardaValar1: Does anyone else have
difficulty seeing the updated member info on
Maglor's WoW site?
ArathornValar: Just as well, need to get
linen for my human ... heh
Eonwe Valar:
If there's no other Web News,
we shall use that as a transition into Gaming
News :}
VardaValar1: Such as Mairowen's name?
VardaValar1: I'm in Netscape and it
is not
updating
Eonwe Valar: It's fine for me Varda
ArathornValar: did you try clearing
your cache?
ArPharazonV:
Eowyn-V-Mairowen: Human
Warrior-Eastern/Lothar
ArathornValar: I see her in IE...
ArPharazonV:
I see her in Firefox
MaglorV: and I use Mozzilla
Eonwe Valar: I'm also in IE,.. only
ever use
IE :}
ArPharazonV: brb
VardaValar1: I reloaded the txt file
ArathornValar: You there Maglor?
MaglorV:
yeah
ArathornValar: Did you want to add a
'tip' section on the WoW pages
or..?
MaglorV:
sure... it'll take a bit of flsh
manipulation, but I can add another section
MaglorV: flash*
ArathornValar: If not, I can put the
instructions in a forum message for
now
Eonwe Valar:
Both would be good
MaglorV: yeah
ArathornValar: ha! thought you typed
'fish' at first :-P
MaglorV: hehe
MaglorV: gotta love maipulating
fish
ArathornValar: I just learned a fish
cooking skill earlier... couldn't find
a fire tho
Eonwe Valar:
The message will eventually be
buried (100 years or so :}) so having it on
the Web Page will be a great place to point
people as well
VardaValar1: Ahh, tried in Explorer.
It has
the scroll bar, but is cut off with no scroll in
Netscape
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
ArathornValar: Ok, I'll add a forum
message and MAglor can add to site
at his convenience
VardaValar1:
Aiya
GwaihirValar: Aiya
MaglorV: no scroll in
Netscape... that is
weird
Eonwe Valar: might have to actually
program
the scroll bar?
ArathornValar: btw, Maglor, would you
mind sending me the Flash
code...wouldn't mind seeing how you
coded it :-D
VardaValar1: It shows great in IE
MaglorV: sure
VardaValar1: Beautifully done
ArathornValar: good ole netscape :-P
ArathornValar: Thx Mag!
GwaihirValar:
sorry for the late arrival. we
had to go buy tinsel.
Eonwe Valar: OK on to gaming :}
VardaValar1: *Tosses tinsel to make
star
streamers*
FINARFIN010: hehe
Eonwe Valar:
*holds shield up to deflect
shooting tinsel stars* :}
GwaihirValar: the floor had more
tinsel on it
than the tree did
ArPharazonV: back
FINARFIN010: wb
Gaming News:
Eonwe Valar: Battle for Middle Earth is out
FINARFIN010: did you get it?
Eonwe Valar:
it's an RTS made by EA
Eonwe Valar: No, I haven't got it :}
got my
hands full as it is right now :}
FINARFIN010: does anyone have the
game?
Eonwe Valar:
If you play it, send me an
e-mail for the Games Page
ArathornValar: What kind of game is it
Eonwe?
Eonwe Valar:
WC3: Remember if you play
this to log in at least once a month :} We've
got about 15 under the one month limit
ArathornValar: what is it similar to..
Eonwe Valar:
It's an RTS (Real Time
Strategy)
Eonwe Valar: WC3, SC, WC2,.. :}
Eonwe Valar: WotR :}
ArPharazonV: Age of Empires...
Empire
Earth...
ArPharazonV: C&C series... well,
most of
them
ArathornValar: Is that like the
warcraft games?
Eonwe Valar:
Don't confuse it with WotR by
Sierra however
ArPharazonV: all RTS
ArathornValar: oh ok.
Eonwe Valar:
WotR is based on the bopok
license
Eonwe Valar: Battle for Middle Earth
is
based on the movie license
Eonwe Valar: bopok = book
VardaValar1: "Bopok" is a mysterious
Valinorean word for "book"
VardaValar1: just invented by a
Valinorean
FINARFIN010: hehe
ArathornValar: Btw, if anyone has extra
linen in WoW they're not using I
could use some right now :-D (char
Harana)
Eonwe Valar:
:}
VardaValar1: I do. But you'll have
to come
to our tree :-)
ArathornValar: er.. and Wool.. I'm too
low to fight for it yet "-P
VardaValar1:
or I could mail
Eonwe Valar: Getting to WoW Arathorn
:}
ArathornValar: You can mail it to me
Varda :-D
ArPharazonV: wool... does that mean
you
have to fight sheep?
Eonwe Valar: That means I'll have to
set up
that Trade section for the Message board
now :}
VardaValar1: Good plan, Eonwe!
Eonwe Valar: Ok Now the long news :
WoW
:}
FINARFIN010: fight sheep?
FINARFIN010:
are you kidding?
ArathornValar: You can but it's a quick
battle :-P
FINARFIN010: for thoes of you who
do not know me that was a pun
ArathornValar: Fighting sheep? Is that
like that old war tv series 'Baa Baa
black sheep'?? <runs for
ArathornValar: cover..>
Eonwe Valar:
First, we have 11 people
(rough estimate) playing WoW on different
chars
ArPharazonV: if not sheep
ArPharazonV: what do you have to
fight for
wool?
MaglorV: humans, or humanoids
GwaihirValar: aye, humanoids can drop
cloth...
FINARFIN010: wooldn't you like to
know
GwaihirValar:
easiest tradeskill to level
GwaihirValar: by far
GwaihirValar: lol
Eonwe Valar: OK guys, please take
trading
into private chats :}
ArPharazonV: ah, have to get up at
11 am
tomorrow... which means I can spend some
more time here :-)
Eonwe Valar: we have roughly our
necessary
number of players to form the Valar
GUild
on Lothar
GwaihirValar: our dinner will be
ready very
shortly, so we'll have to go afk for a short
while...
FINARFIN010: afk for dinner
VardaValar1:
That does not include the
Laytonrim, by any chance? We are all on
the same account
Eonwe Valar: My original impression
was that
each of these members must remain logged
in in order for their signature to count on the
charter
VardaValar1: So we count as one,
like an
oliphaunt
Eonwe Valar: Maglor tells me the
individual
characters can log out, so long as I do not
MaglorV: characters are seperate
from
accounts
MaglorV: and only the person
with the
charter cant log out, and that is a bug that
will be fixed
Eonwe Valar: If anyone has some
spare silver
we can give this a try next week
VardaValar1: The Laytonrim have been
collecting
Eonwe Valar: That's when I'd like us
all to get
together
VardaValar1: All you need is 10
silver, right?
ArathornValar: Good! Then we have
more than enough Mag?
VardaValar1:
How many could we get
together today?
VardaValar1: I see 3 of the
Laytonrim : )
Eonwe Valar: As a symbolic gesture,
I think
it'd be great if everyone who's going to sign
the charter throw in a silver,.. 10 silver for
10 people.
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie guys, my hosts
are getting to bed, so I am going too :-)
VardaValar1: Great idea!
MaglorV: yeah, each character in
an account
could join seperate guilds if they wanted, so
we have plenty to dign the charter
VardaValar1: Namarie, Menelvagor
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
ArathornValar: I'm in there for a long
while :-D
MaglorV: dign=sign
ArPharazonV: ahh... was away when
Menel
had to go
Eonwe Valar: So, let's all shoot for
being here
at the meeting, and immediately after, going
to Stormwind to make the charter
ArPharazonV: *shouts after him*
Namarie,
Menelvagor
MaglorV: sounds good Eonwe
VardaValar1: For practice, how many
could
we drag in if we tried today?
Musics4Me2 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiyata
Eonwe Valar: The easiest place to
meet in
Stormwind might be the Cathedral of
Light,
since it's in the center of town
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
Musics4Me2: Ah, sorry... AIM kinda
died
and I was away
Eonwe Valar: I could be there
VardaValar1: Do we have to be in the
same
place or just logged in?
MaglorV: have to be with the
person with the
charter
VardaValar1: Three of my family
could come
in
Eonwe Valar: you have to be close
enough
for me to have you sign the charter, which
means same place
ArPharazonV: dang, I wanna play that
game...
VardaValar1: Can you move to the
people or
do we need to move to you? Some of us
are young yet
Eonwe Valar: I can't get to Kalimdor
yet,..
haven't gone that far in my own questing
VardaValar1: Stormwind, human land.
VardaValar1: I'll start working my
way there
from Teldrassil
Eonwe Valar: here, I have an idea
ArathornValar: My human is in SW
right now :-)
ArPharazonV: that's a loooong way to
swim... :-)
Eonwe Valar: If I recall, there is a
ship in
Auberdine that sails to Ironforge
VardaValar1: How long do you have to
sign
up people once you get a charter?
Eonwe Valar: until I log out
VardaValar1: Might get a gryphon or
ship
VardaValar1: Don't crash! : )
MaglorV: the ship sails to
Menethil for IF
Eonwe Valar: If you go to Ironforge,
you can
take the deeprum tram to Stormwind
Eonwe Valar: *deeprun
MaglorV: Menethil is lvl 20+
area and a long
dangerous walk to IF
Eonwe Valar: hmm
MaglorV: but it has been done
VardaValar1: We can aim for the trip
to
Stormwind by next weekend. A quest!
Eonwe Valar: ]maybe some of us
higher guys
could escort the Night Elves to
Ironforge?
MaglorV: just run from the orcs
that try to kill
you :-)
VardaValar1: Run is good
Eonwe Valar: I'm not exactly
"higher" but with
my 17 I'm willing to make that attempt
MaglorV: id be willing to try it
with my 14 NE
VardaValar1: Higher than my 12 ;-)
Eonwe Valar: and I can rez anyone
that dies
once we get out of the battle
VardaValar1: It is a good week to die
ArPharazonV: the Valarguild's first
move...
could anybody take screenies?
MaglorV: i will
Eonwe Valar: I'll try to remember
MaglorV: i already have
hundereds :-)
ArPharazonV: nice...
MaglorV: i can spell...honest
VardaValar1: We have some human
characters who can just walk in. Yeah, right
Maglor. ;-)
VardaValar1: j/k
MaglorV: lol
Eonwe Valar: So that could be our
quest
tonight? escort Elves to Ironforge? If we
have enough people?
Eonwe Valar: Elves get to fight too,
and heal
if they are able :}
MaglorV: tonight?
VardaValar1: Eowyn is at Fargodeep
Mine
VardaValar1: Escort from where?
Eonwe Valar: Just thought I'd see if
we could
get anyone together :} Next week is good
too :}
MaglorV: if its tonight I can't
join you :-( I
have to go in a few minutes.
VardaValar1: I'd love to try
VardaValar1: Eowyn and Fangorn could
come
Eonwe Valar: Menethil
VardaValar1: I might drag in
Sauron's
character for him, if he does not come home
soon enough
Eonwe Valar: The ship in Auberdine
can take
you that far, and we could meet you there
ArPharazonV: you could also just
sign the
charter in menethil itself...
MaglorV: hehe, true
VardaValar1: When would you be back,
Maglor?
ArPharazonV: if you all meet up
there, no
need to get to Stormwind :-D
MaglorV: no idea, probably late
Eonwe Valar: Oh sure, negate the
quest
before it's begun :}
ArathornValar: I could log in with 3 of
my chars to get more to sign... ? if
we can get enuf at one sittng (3
from me)
ArPharazonV:
hey, you could always just give
them a tour through Lordaeron
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: show them Stormwind
anyway
ArathornValar: I have 1 4 human
Eonwe Valar:
Getting them to Stormwind
makes sure we can meet anyway
Eonwe Valar: S
ArPharazonV: ah, of course
ArPharazonV: for the gryphons
VardaValar1: We can come up with
enough
silver surely
Eonwe Valar: scratch the S
ArathornValar: yeah I need linens
anyway!
ArathornValar: and wool.. we can kill
humanoids :-)
Eonwe Valar: OK, so, Guild charter
shooting
for next Sunday After meeting
VardaValar1: I can cook and sell for
a good
bit
MaglorV: silver is nothing...
wait until you are
doing quests worth gold :-)
VardaValar1: One gold for a tabard
Eonwe Valar: Aye, Tabards is the
next topic
:}
ArPharazonV: ooh, ooh, I wanna see
the
Tabard!
MaglorV: yeah, my 28 hunter is
making good
coin at the AH
VardaValar1: Transition away : )
Eonwe Valar: it's 10 gold to unlock
the
tabard, which means it will require the
generosity of everyone who can contribute
MaglorV: but hes on anotehr
server :-(
MaglorV: another*
Eonwe Valar: There's a slight
problem with
tabards
VardaValar1: Should we mail you the
money,
Eonwe?
Eonwe Valar: for the tabard or the
charter?
VardaValar1: Both, was thinking of
tabard
though
Eonwe Valar: for the tabard, yeah,
might be
better to mail the money
VardaValar1: Let you collect it as
Branch
Leader
ArathornValar: Be a while befire I get
a gold :-P
ArPharazonV: for the charter you
could just
wait until you are all in Stormwind, give the
cash in person, and then buy the charter
ArathornValar: *before
VardaValar1:
But together we can do it
Grimbold V: <----- Has returned
just in time
for good ol WoW Stuff
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
VardaValar1: Welcome back : )
MaglorV: well, i have to go,
I'll be on WoW
when I get home. Namarie
ArathornValar: that was quick Grim!
Grimbold V:
If we can get enough players on
tonite I will pay for full amount to get guild
started
VardaValar1: Great, Maglor!
VardaValar1: Might see you there
MaglorV: ok
ArPharazonV: actually, we've never
left the
topic, grimbold :-)
ArPharazonV: Namarie Maglor
VardaValar1: We would all like to
kick in
some, Grimbold : )
Grimbold V: Yea...it was a dog that
got hit by
car..but was very lucky..minor lacerations
etc
Eonwe Valar: There have already been
Guilds
in WoW with the same tabard design,
despite the plethora of choices we're given
ArathornValar: Where are you right
now in WS Eonwe?
VardaValar1:
That is good to hear
MaglorV has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: WS?
Grimbold V: heh...10 silver is
pocket change
to my 21 Human warrior
ArathornValar: windstorm
Eonwe Valar:
I'm not in Windstorm
Eonwe Valar: Don't think I know
where that
is :}
Grimbold V: And I offer my sword
and shield
in escorting the Night elves to Stormwind
VardaValar1: Grimbold, is your human
warrior on Lothar
ArathornValar: How do you actually
make a tabard? Is it a gif file or
..how is it designed?
Grimbold V:
Indeed he is
Grimbold V: Arathorn its already
implemented in teh game....
VardaValar1: We thank you
ArathornValar: HA! I mean stormwind!
Grimbold V:
its a Tabard vendor
ArathornValar: Dyslexic again :-P
VardaValar1: Can we design our own
tabard?
Grimbold V: you design it and "buy"
it
VardaValar1: We have artists in the
group
Eonwe Valar: We have certain options
ArathornValar: but how is it 'designed'..
using what method?
Grimbold V:
only w/ the designs that they
have to offer, I don't believe we can design
and then "upload"
Eonwe Valar: we have icons, colors,
and
backgrounds to choose
Grimbold V: Arathorn I will show
you in
game later
VardaValar1: We should check on
whether
we can design
ArathornValar: can'r make our own
then?
ArPharazonV:
as long as it doesn't involve
drawing or painting, I can consider myself
an artist ;-)
ArathornValar: *Puts away photoshop..
* <grin>
Eonwe Valar:
No, we cannot make our own
design
Grimbold V: I don't believe
so...pertaining to
creating our own desing
Grimbold V: design*
Eonwe Valar: we can put together
what they
have given us
Grimbold V: I'll forage the forums
on that and
msg a GM about it..but I highly doubt we
can
Eonwe Valar: We can't :}
VardaValar1: It could be done in
DAoC I
think, so it's a maybe
Grimbold V: I scrolled through some
of the
designs the other day and I don't think I
even got 1/2 way through
Eonwe Valar: We have certain icons
(link
coming soon)
Eonwe Valar: that we can choose
Eonwe Valar: we choose a color for it
ArathornValar: I've seen the tabard
guy but never really looked into it
Grimbold V:
so there are a LOT of designs as
Eonwe will hopefully soon give us the link to
*smirk*
Eonwe Valar: we choose a border and
border color
ArPharazonV: I'd guess you choose an
outline, a color, a symbol, a background
color....
Eonwe Valar: then we choose a
background
color
VardaValar1: In DAoC we used a white
tree.
Is that one of those over-used?
Grimbold V: I have seen it a few
times
Eonwe Valar: I didn't see a tree
with leaves in
the icon
Grimbold V: not sure on the white
coloring
but I have seen the tree
VardaValar1: How about white and no
leaves?
Grimbold V: haven't seen that one
used..but I
have seen a design of a tree w/ no leaves
Grimbold V: not very becoming if
you ask me
Eonwe Valar:
http://wowvault.ign.com/?dir=guilds&conten
t=tabards
Grimbold V: in the
way they made it....just a
Rohaner's opinion
Eonwe Valar: that is a link to a
page with our
available icons
Grimbold V: YAY! thank you
ArathornValar: Can we choose a .. hat! ...
sorry.. that's an inside WoS joke!
<too bad Orodreth isn't here
<snortle>
VardaValar1:
hat, hmm. Dernhelm might
make a comment
VardaValar1: I see a tree with
leaves. Not
saying use it, just I see one
Eonwe Valar: I'd like everyone's
input who is
in WoW or plans on going in, so that means
you European guys get looking too :}
ArPharazonV: nr 11 looks good...
Grimbold V: Arathorn take a look at
#45...there's your hat
Grimbold V: *smirk*
Grimbold V: on the link Eonwe just
sent
VardaValar1: 38 is nice
Grimbold V: # 57 is the "tree w/ no
leaves"
ArPharazonV: Gandalf's hat!
Grimbold V: which I didn't care for
Eonwe Valar: Try to keep it within
the spirit
of the Guild and of Tolkien, though
ArathornValar: In WoS there's a
vendor who yells at you ... "You need
a ... HAT!" .. funny the first time
you see it :-P
VardaValar1: 11 is tree with leaves
Eonwe Valar: Aye, just saw that
Grimbold V: I like number 76...I
think it
pertains to the spirit of the guild
Grimbold V: *smirk*
Grimbold V: its an
acorn...resembling that all
of us in the guild are just plain NUTS!
ArPharazonV: how about 48, though?
not a
tree, but still
VardaValar1: 48 could be Taniquetil
ArPharazonV: lol
VardaValar1: a mountain
Grimbold V: In a good way of course
ArPharazonV: just thinking the same
thing,
Varda :-)
Eonwe Valar: Now, we're not going to
be
able to change this once we make it, unless
we want to disband the guild and go through
the entire process again
VardaValar1: Nuts, would be true
ArathornValar: LOL (Grimbold nuts
comment)
VardaValar1:
Aye, so we will have to like it
the first time : )
ArPharazonV: how about 102? the
watcher
in the water?
Eonwe Valar: Blizzard has said they
make no
guarantees that out design will be unique, i.e.
used by our Guild only
ArPharazonV: 103? the two towers?
VardaValar1: 87 is a moon and stars
Eonwe Valar: Let's keep it to good
guys :}
We are Alliance :}
ArPharazonV: in that case, 125?
Strider?
Eonwe Valar: so we need to make it
unique
ourselves, or we don't worry about it and
just pick somethign we like :}
ArPharazonV: 161? A black rider?
VardaValar1: 136 is a mushroom.
Guess
better for hobbits
Grimbold V: Actually that is
"Arthas" the
Leader of the Scourge...which are the "bad"
guys in the World of Warcraft community
Grimbold V: pertaining to ArPhar's
comment
on #125
ArPharazonV: 166 would be good, if
it were
only 1 eye....
VardaValar1: Oh, I see the Wingfoot
design
you mentioned, 165
VardaValar1: There is a one eye, but
that
would be for baddies : )
Grimbold V: check out #91 ArPhar
ArPharazonV: 154, balrog?
Grimbold V: that's your one eye
evilness
ArPharazonV: wow, indeed
Eonwe Valar: afk for a just a sec
VardaValar1: 167 is a candle
ArathornValar: 44 .. better not run
with them tho :-P
VardaValar1: aww, Arathorn. Nice
scissors
Grimbold V: and why not..we run
around w/
everything else imaginable
VardaValar1: Good point, or points
ArPharazonV: I repeat: 154 balrog
Grimbold V: don't you
remember...Arathorn!!! STOP!! do not run
w/ that sponge....put the sponge down and
step away from it!
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: 123: Beorn?
VardaValar1: Yep. Could be a Balrog
alright,
Phar
ArathornValar: I like 166
VardaValar1:
166 is well done, but not
exactly in our spirit, is it?
ArathornValar: Mommy said don't run
with scissors! :-P
ArPharazonV: could anybody explain
to me
what 142 is supposed to be?
ArPharazonV: ignore the rhyme
Eonwe Valar: back
VardaValar1: 142? Maybe two flowers?
VardaValar1: Aiyata
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
Eonwe Valar: thanks
Grimbold V: 142 = lopsided
elephants???
Grimbold V: J/J
ArPharazonV: :-)
Eonwe Valar: Page loads slowly for
me so
I'm not as far as you guys in the icon looking
:}
ArPharazonV: oliphaunts?
ArPharazonV: 135: Bilbo Barrel-rider!
VardaValar1: I listed all the ones
that jumped
out at me as good, if that's any help
Grimbold V: I believe it might be
trying to
resemble a plant form of some sort
Eonwe Valar: long list between
everyone :}
ArPharazonV: my vote is on 48,
better icon
for Valinor I have not yet seen
ArPharazonV: the mountain
ArPharazonV: or Caradhras, for the
non-Silmarillion readers
ArPharazonV: or Mount Doom
Eonwe Valar: Stars, mountain are the
ones
that leap out to me
ArPharazonV: neh, not Orodruin...
ArathornValar: are there any angel like
ones.. representing the Valar?
VardaValar1:
I thought of the mountain as
being Taniquetil, meeting place of Valar and
Vanyar
ArPharazonV: 60 close enough? ;-)
ArPharazonV: or 69?
ArPharazonV: we could do 31, for the
Eagles
of Manwe
Grimbold V: Hmm..I am rather
upset...they
do not have any horses or silouettes (sp?) of
horses of any kind.....They are
discriminating against Rohan...how dare
they!
ArPharazonV: 36, the Elven-ships in
the Grey
Havens
ArPharazonV: 65? Mirror of Galadriel?
Eonwe Valar: Thought I saw one in
there that
looked like a Lamp, would bea reference to
Iluin and Ormal
VardaValar1: 31 Eagles is a
possibility, aye
Grimbold V: A warning on the
eagles...I have
seen a lot of those
Grimbold V: so I think we would be
sacrificing our "uniquness"
ArathornValar: hmmm scarecrow angels?
<pff>
ArPharazonV:
similar shape, though :-)
ArPharazonV: arms spread out like
snowangels
VardaValar1: 86 is the infinity sign
ArathornValar: so no one sees any
angels huh...
Grimbold V:
well its very common and
simple..but #4 for the "One ring"
ArPharazonV: heheh
ArathornValar: 48 might be a good one
Varda, yeah
Eonwe Valar:
Has someone suggested 88?
Eonwe Valar: rising sun
ArPharazonV: reminds me of Japan
Grimbold V: heh or #9 since we are
a Tolkien
group which basically our guild has come
about due to our love of books...his in
particular
Musics4Me2: I see lots of
numbers.... I must
have missed something ;-)
Eonwe Valar: well, yeah, but in our
case it
could be Anar :}
ArathornValar: 65 makes me hungry..
more like soup :-P
VardaValar1: 9, you have a point
about the
book
ArPharazonV: well, there is mention
of the
water boiling in the mirror
ArPharazonV: when Sauron makes his
appearance
Eonwe Valar: too bad we can't mix
icons,..
would choose a crown over a white tree :}
ArPharazonV: 10: 'Fool of a Took'
ArathornValar: I still can' get soup out
of my mind <chuckle> must be hungry
..
VardaValar1:
Aye, Eonwe : )
ArPharazonV: isn't 2 similar to the
crowns of
gondor?
VardaValar1: 65 soup bowl, looks
like steam
but could be magic. I see no boiling bubbles
ArathornValar: hmm alot of these are
very 'clipart'y .. not the best
graphics I've ever seen :-\
ArPharazonV: soup bowl... mirror...
any
difference? ;-)
VardaValar1: 2, the winged crown of
Gondor. Aye, but we need Valar symbols
ArPharazonV: why does 38 remind me
of
Athelas...
VardaValar1: These are not the
entire picture
ArathornValar: mm I like the book
idea... still think an angel would be
best :-P
VardaValar1: 38 is a nice graceful
one.
Athelas might not be the best Vala symbol,
but it would at least look good
VardaValar1: Which number is the
angel,
Arathorn?
ArathornValar: That's my depiction of
Valar anyway <shrug>
ArPharazonV:
you found one yet?
ArathornValar: haven't found one yet,
Varda
VardaValar1:
I see no angel, looked over all
ArathornValar: nope, Ar
ArPharazonV:
38 seems a bit standard for
banners....
VardaValar1: o, ok
VardaValar1: Mountain, stars both
have no
argument so far?
ArPharazonV: if we weren't alliance,
I'd go
for the Balrog...
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Way it goes
ArathornValar: Ar: hmm MAYBE
Galadriel was cooking soup.. we
can't be sure she was't <snortle!>
Grimbold V:
Can I have the numbers for the
mountain and stars plz?
ArPharazonV: 87 looks more like a
strange
smily than stars
VardaValar1: But we are. Let's dare
each
other to find a good Valar symbol
VardaValar1: Mountain is 48
FINARFIN010 has left the room.
ArathornValar: I like either mountain
or book so far.. leaning toward
maountain tho
VardaValar1:
87 is moon and stars
Eonwe Valar: If we were the Donkey
Kong
Guild #135 would be perfect :}
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: 113 for Manwe?
ArathornValar: And if I don't eat sooon
..soup! <guffaw>
VardaValar1:
The book is 9
ArathornValar: what is 21.. glasses?
Grimbold V:
Aye
Grimbold V: Engineering Goggles to
represent
the gnomes
ArPharazonV: I really like 162....
but besides
Smaug and Ancalagon, not
Tolkien-related...
Grimbold V: I assume
GwaihirValar: *thinks that the Eagles
would
be a good idea* ;-)
VardaValar1: 113 is lightning.
Manwe's not
so much known for that
VardaValar1: Not biased are you,
Eagle
buddy? ;-)
GwaihirValar: not at all
GwaihirValar: :-)
Eonwe Valar: OK, no Eagles :}
ArPharazonV: 32 would be good if we
were
a Dutch guild, but other than that....
VardaValar1: 162 kind of mean looking
ArathornValar: 57 is treeish... but
mountain betetr I think
Grimbold V:
I can't believe they don't have
horses...I mean come on a cartoon
MONKEY?!?
Grimbold V: sheesh
Grimbold V: I like mountain
compared to
moon/stars
VardaValar1: Poor Rohirrim. So
underrepresented. I too think a horse should
at least be offered
GwaihirValar: I think you can edit
the icons,
btw...
GwaihirValar: not sure though
Eonwe Valar: I must be lagging worse
than I
thought
ArathornValar: a crying bear?? (63) ..
that's silly
VardaValar1:
Book, mountain, moon + stars
Grimbold V: maybe some 13 yo girl
wanted
to make a Care bear guild?
ArPharazonV: I think those are signs
of
anger, not tears
GwaihirValar: Angry bear guild then
;-)
VardaValar1: And infinity sign 86
ArathornValar: hmm what's 70?
ArPharazonV:
tesla coil
Grimbold V: Tesla coil
GwaihirValar: is there one of a
flame? if there
is we could use it to represent the secret
fire...
ArathornValar: Hey gwaihir.. 98 for us
:-P
ArPharazonV: I think I saw one of
those, yes
Grimbold V: 40
GwaihirValar: what's 98? :-)
ArPharazonV: 93?
Grimbold V: I think has sword in it
as well
ArathornValar: Tesla?
ArPharazonV:
ALOHA just contacted me
again
ArPharazonV: is 93 fire?
Eonwe Valar: I blocked Aloha,..
might
consider doing to same
ArathornValar: *hand on heart* ...Ohh..
Canadaaaa...lalalaaaa! <snortle>
GwaihirValar:
ahhh
ArPharazonV: I'm just ignoring
her... if she
wants to make peace, let it come from her
side
GwaihirValar: ya one of the poeple on
one of
the forums I frequent made a guild using that
one
GwaihirValar: :-)
Grimbold V: I think it might be
"tribal designs"
of what seems to be almost like 3 stag
heads?
Grimbold V: pertaining to 93
ArPharazonV: 3 stag heads, yes, that
occurred to me too
Grimbold V: either that or I've
been staring at
Rorschat (sp?) test too much
Grimbold V: the inkblot test heh
ArPharazonV: but it could also
resemble fire
ArPharazonV: 106 for Lorien?
Grimbold V: I think the best flame
one imo is
#40
ArathornValar: 166 COULD represent
the Valar looking down on "us" .. if
the eyes were 'happier'
Grimbold V:
could be gandalf's sword bathed
in the flame an Anur(sp)
Eonwe Valar: Anyone know a Maximus
FoTL? sounds familiar,..
Grimbold V: Sorry I do not
ArPharazonV: sounds very familiar,
yes
ArathornValar: what would 40
represent Grim?
ArathornValar: eternal flame?
Musics4Me2 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: ah, I found something,
Eonwe
Grimbold V: the secret
flame.....flame of
anur?
ArPharazonV: Nov. 7, 2004Sunday
Meeting:
5pm EST, AIM Valar Guild Meetingplace
ArPharazonV: Guest: Maximus FOTL
(contacted Lungorthin, interested in joining,
looking for a gaming "family". That's a good
description of us.)
ArathornValar: 36 is ship looks like
VardaValar1 has left the room.
ArathornValar: 40 couls work...
Grimbold V:
I like 40 better than the mountain
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :} that's who I
thought
it was :}
ArPharazonV: np
ArPharazonV: just a quick search led
me to
the news-page
ArathornValar: I'm flipping between
mountain and 40 .. hmmm
ArathornValar: mountain seems simple
but I like it for some reason
Grimbold V:
Yea I can go for it since it could
be like "Pillar of strength type bit" but I
dunno
ArPharazonV: they're all symmetric,
I just
noticed :-D
ArPharazonV: that explains the weird
star-picture
Grimbold V: I haven't read beyond
the LotR
so I dunno about other mountain places that
resemble "good"
Eonwe Valar: The mountain seems the
best
choice to me
ArPharazonV: not Caradhras, that's
for sue
ArPharazonV: *sure
ArPharazonV: I just want to say I'm
not
attracted by the stars.... they look way too
much like a happy-face to me
ArPharazonV: if I had a veto, it
would go on
that
Grimbold V: every time I see the
stars/moon,
makes me think of a girl's tattoo that they
get on the small of their back...believe me its
popular around these parts...blech
Grimbold V: so yea same w/ ArPhar
if I had
the veto it would be on stars/moon as well
ArathornValar: did you look at it AS a
Tabard too Grim.. might give you
more perspective.. doing that now..
Grimbold V:
My 1st would be 40 the
flame...but mountain is ok as well
Eonwe Valar: I would've preferred
stars
without the moon, but the only tinhg close to
that looks like a starfish
Grimbold V: hehe I tried..kinda
hard to..I'll
take one final look
ArathornValar: yeah I don't like stars
either <shrug>
ArPharazonV:
look at 99
Grimbold V: heh...now I see the
happy face
lol
Grimbold V: Thanks ArPhar you
ruined it for
me
ArPharazonV: either Gandalf's staff,
or
Sauron on his tower
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: you're welcome,
Grimbold
:-)
VardaValar1: Aiya. Guess our DSL or
hub is
going bad
ArathornValar: what;s 100??? volcano?
VardaValar1:
Thanks
ArPharazonV: ooh, 100 is a good
Orodruin
VardaValar1: So front runners were
Book,
Infinity, Mountain, Stars & Moon, Eagles
(no particular order) and what?
ArPharazonV: I'm laughing at the
star-happy-face now...
ArathornValar: which is montain again?
ArPharazonV:
48
ArPharazonV: how about 99, Varda?
ArPharazonV: Gandalf's staff?
ArPharazonV: or Sauron on his tower?
ArathornValar: 40, fire, Varda
VardaValar1:
Please give me the link again?
We crashed
Eonwe Valar:
http://wowvault.ign.com/?dir=guilds&conten
t=tabards
VardaValar1: and
Secret Fire : )
ArPharazonV:
http://wowvault.ign.com/?dir=guilds&conten
t=tabards&page=3 is the third page
VardaValar1: Thanks
ArPharazonV: lol
Grimbold V: anyone for a game of
checkers
meet me on block 97 *smirk*
Eonwe Valar: I think the mountain is
going to
be the best
ArPharazonV: I still think 102 is a
great
watcher in the water...
VardaValar1: Aye : )
Grimbold V: hmm kinda reminds me of
the
James Bond movie "Octopussy"
Grimbold V: the ring and tattoo
they had
ArPharazonV: haven't seen that movie
ArPharazonV: haven't seen much of
007...
Grimbold V: Good movie if you like
James
Bond...but its Roger Moore not Sean
Connery
ArPharazonV: no comment on 99 so far?
ArathornValar: hmm on the Tabard
itself doesn't really look like
mountain :-\
ArPharazonV: 'let me risk a little
more light'
Eonwe Valar: 99 seemed a bit evil
looking
ArPharazonV: well, yes, of course it
could be
seen as Sauron's eye and Baraddur
VardaValar1: 99 Gandalf's staff?
ArPharazonV: and it could be seen as
that,
yet
ArPharazonV: *yes
VardaValar1: How do you see a design
as it
is on the tabard, Arathorn?
ArPharazonV: click on the picture
Eonwe Valar: click on the icon'
Grimbold V: hmm you're right
Arathorn...looks like a pile of gunpowder or
spices of some sort
ArPharazonV:
http://wowvault.ign.com/static.php?category
=guilds&page=tabardviewer
VardaValar1: Sharp on
top for that. Would
have to be damp powder or spice
Grimbold V: hmm true
ArPharazonV: so... when are we going
to
search the perfect location for a guildhouse?
;-)
Eonwe Valar: ther are no guildhouses
in game
as I recall
Eonwe Valar: I think they took that
out of the
initial release
ArPharazonV: ah, ok
VardaValar1: Guildhouse is in
Middle-earth
Online, long walk
ArPharazonV: heheh...
Grimbold V: but they will be
thinking about it
in future...like as an expansion...so I've
heard through the "grapevine"
ArPharazonV: grapevine...
grapevine... any
icons of that?
Grimbold V: hmm nope just some
laurel
Eonwe Valar: OK so quick check for
personal preferences :
ArathornValar: I vote on of these 2...
and think fire is best, As Grimbold
said:
ArPharazonV:
any interest in 114: elanor?
ArathornValar:
http://valarguild.org/arathorn/tem
p/tabard.jpg
Eonwe Valar:
Eonwë: # 48 , mountain
Thranduil Valar has left the room.
ArathornValar: Varda, just click on the
tabard and it shows him wearing it
VardaValar1:
Yes, I got it Arathorn. Looking
at tabard maker
ArathornValar: check my link.. what do
you think?
Eonwe Valar:
So how many do we have for
the Mountain?
Eonwe Valar: Say Aye
VardaValar1: Not decided yet
ArPharazonV: not sure, after
watching the
actual tabard
ArathornValar: I say fire, mountain as a
second
VardaValar1:
Fire and Mountain both good.
VardaValar1: Do they show with a
female
figure?
ArPharazonV: if I had to choose, I'd
go with
fire... but that's just my destructive nature
:-)
ArathornValar: Fire looks cool on
Tabard (go figure cool fire :-P)
VardaValar1:
All very well and good on a flat
person, pardon
ArathornValar: Dont' think so Varda..
although I was thinking it should too
Eonwe Valar:
well, wasn't acutally trying to
get a vote perse,.. trying to get an idea of
where we all agree so far :} Next Question
was going to be fire, and then any other
ideas
Grimbold V: I vote Sword in Flame
Eonwe Valar: Flat? This guy looks
like a pro
wrestler :}
ArathornValar: HA! you haven't seen my
Man boobs Varda! I work out a lot
<snortle!>
VardaValar1:
Is that the fire he shows
ArPharazonV: well, Varda... if we
look at
female characters, the mountain would seem
a bit... awkward, to say the leat
ArPharazonV: *least
VardaValar1: on Arathorn's tabard?
Eonwe Valar: (yes, I understand :})
VardaValar1: What number is sword in
flame?
ArPharazonV: 40
Grimbold V: 40
VardaValar1: The fire on Arathorn's
tabard
does look better than the mountain one
ArathornValar: Mountain looks ok, I
just don't know that people would
know that's what it is when on
Tabard :-\
VardaValar1: Secret Fire idea
VardaValar1: Why a flaming sword?
ArPharazonV: Glamdring
ArPharazonV: Anduril
ArathornValar: Gandalf
ArPharazonV:
'Flame of the West'
ArathornValar: Secret fire
ArathornValar: Arathorn.. sword of
light :-D
VardaValar1: oh, it is the same
ArathornValar: same?
VardaValar1:
40 is the fire one : )
ArPharazonV: the same icon, yes
VardaValar1: Nice for all those
reasons and
looks good
ArPharazonV: so whether we interpret
it as
Glamdring, Anduril, or the Secret Fire, we
can't go wrong :-)
ArathornValar: Ok, I have to go to the
store.. er.. are we getting together
tonight as a group or..?
VardaValar1:
I guess any will be a problem
for female characters
VardaValar1: Not if you are gone : )
VardaValar1: It is night
Grimbold V: I'll be on
ArathornValar: I won';t be long..
gettgin some chicken wings :-)
VardaValar1: Sounds good : )
Grimbold V: ooh ooh bring me some!
ArathornValar: getting even
ArPharazonV:
so... I guess this counts as
Tolkien-topic as well?
VardaValar1: The beef ribs are about
ready
downstairs
ArPharazonV: or are we still going
to do the
Frodo-killing-thingy?
ArathornValar: I'll be back in a little
bit then... I'll leave this p to see
what you all decided!
VardaValar1:
We Tolkien-topiced before
meeting
ArPharazonV: well, we have more
heads here
VardaValar1: Arathorn, you picked 40
flaming sword?
ArPharazonV: or at least minds
present
ArathornValar: *stuffs chicken wings
into Grim's mailbox..*
Eonwe Valar:
The fire does seems pretty
good
ArPharazonV: I'll go for 40 as well
Grimbold V: oh man now they'll take
an hr to
get here
Grimbold V: they'll be cold by then!
ArathornValar: yeah Fire/sword is my
choice.
ArPharazonV:
or 99, but I guess that's just
me :-)
VardaValar1: Stars and moon looked
good
on tabard thing
ArathornValar: *Sets Grim's mailbox
alight...* :-P
VardaValar1: just looking at them,
not
picking them : )
ArPharazonV: Stars and moon look to
'comical' to me
ArPharazonV: if you observe the
happyface
VardaValar1: Aye, kind of a smiley
face
ArPharazonV: *too
Grimbold V: Out of curiosity what
will be the
Name? Valar Guild? or a likeness of that?
VardaValar1: I agree they look like
a smile
VardaValar1: Valar?
VardaValar1: Guild is kind of
redundant
maybe
Grimbold V: Valar is better
ArathornValar: which was stars?
SHould look before poopooing it heh
ArPharazonV:
87
Grimbold V: was hoping to keep the
word
"guild" out of it
VardaValar1: Think they will give us
a
trademark argument?
ArPharazonV: if not, we'll make
ourselves
Ainur :-)
VardaValar1: Guild is what it is on
WoW, a
guild mark, so would possibly be redundant
ArathornValar: Yeah what's the guild
name Valar Guild or just Valar..?
VardaValar1:
Ainur, good thought as an
alternate
Eonwe Valar: I was going to use
Valar Guild,
even though it was redundant
ArathornValar: yeah I thot so
(redundant)
Eonwe Valar:
if they give us problems with
Valar, they're likely to do the same for Ainur
VardaValar1: Nice thing to have one
guy with
the final say : )
Grimbold V: then how about Flame of
Ainur?
VardaValar1: How about Valar :-)
ArPharazonV: Flame of Valar
ArPharazonV: or just Flame of the
West :-)
VardaValar1: Secret Fire : )
Eonwe Valar: I was considering
Valinorë if
Valar/Valar Guild did not work
VardaValar1: But we are the Valar
Guild
ArathornValar: I vote Valar, unless
Eonwe vetoes :-D
Grimbold V: Valar Flamers! hmm
sounds
more like a sports team heh
VardaValar1: hehe
Grimbold V: I 2nd arathorn's motion
ArathornValar: oooh I like Valinorë
Eonwe Valar: Valinorë
= People of the Valar,
so if we cannot use Valar, it's closer
ArPharazonV: and let's not forget
the
forum-definition of Flaming....
ArPharazonV: Valar Flamers sound
negative
Grimbold V: I know...was just a joke
VardaValar1: Valar, Valar Guild,
Valinore,
Secret Flame
ArathornValar: yeah flaming sounds bad
heh
Grimbold V:
Servant of the Fire/Flame?
VardaValar1: (Secret Flaming done on
the
side)
ArPharazonV: Servant of the Secret
Fire
VardaValar1: Long : )
ArathornValar: *take grim's wings back
..* :-P
ArPharazonV: Secret Flamers :-D
VardaValar1: hehe
Grimbold V: I like the "servant"
part of the
title
ArPharazonV: Flaming servants
VardaValar1: Flame of Eru
ArathornValar: ever lieks he word
'servant' myself <shrug>
Grimbold V:
would really be our "title" since
we do serve and are humble
VardaValar1: Servant is what we are
anyway
ArPharazonV: Eru's servants...
ArathornValar: er liked
VardaValar1:
It is what we are, don't have to
say it?
ArPharazonV: Servants of Eru
Eonwe Valar: Eruanor?
VardaValar1: Children of Eru
VardaValar1: Eruhini
ArathornValar: I just bit my tongue
trying to say that Eonwe...
Eonwe Valar:
Eruhini is already taken in
MEO, might shy away from that
ArPharazonV: Voices of Eru :-P
VardaValar1: Valar Guild sounds
familiar
ArathornValar: Personally I like the
simple "Valar"
ArathornValar: but I'm simple people
:-P
Grimbold V: I say we try Valar
first..and then
come back to it if we have to on the other
names
VardaValar1: So we have Valar Guild,
Valar
as main, then if we need we have some
other possibles
ArPharazonV: Flames from Valinor
VardaValar1: We are a very small
sample of
the guild, unfortunately
Eonwe Valar: I like Valar GUild
because it
says what kind of Guild we are :}
VardaValar1: So does Valar, but aye
ArPharazonV: Valiflames
Grimbold V: but in the wow
community we
will already be known as a guild cause it is a
guild tag
Grimbold V: hence the "redundancy"
VardaValar1: True, Grimbold
ArPharazonV: we're the Valar Guild
guild...
ArathornValar: Flamy-Guild *runs for
cover..*
Eonwe Valar:
I realize that
ArPharazonV: wow, my eyes need to
adjust...
Grimbold V: Dare I ask about the
colors?
Grimbold V: or is that another "can
of worms"
heh?
ArPharazonV: I've just put off my
glasses,
after sitting with them before the pc for
hours...
VardaValar1: Might be easier to
remember
our name when seen as Valar, but not hard
to remember Valar Guild either
VardaValar1: yes and no ; )
ArathornValar: *sneaks up and snatches
the word "guild" from Eonwe's
pocket so he can't find/use it*
<snicker!>
ArathornValar: Blue, blue ad blue
ArathornValar: *and
ArPharazonV:
Flames of Valinor
ArPharazonV: or, for alliteration,
Flames
From ...Falinor
Grimbold V: I actually like the
Blue/yellow
cordination in arathorn's pic
Eonwe Valar: *smiths a big neo
"GUILD"
sign* :}
Grimbold V: *smelts the sign back
into liquid*
Eonwe Valar: *neon
ArathornValar: lol (eonwe)
ArPharazonV:
Flames of Aman
Grimbold V: I have lvl 105 smelting!
ArPharazonV: we're all forgetting
Aman
ArathornValar: OK I'm off REALLY
this time . TTYL all!
ArPharazonV:
how about Spirits of the
Valar?
Grimbold V: catch ya later
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
VardaValar1: Namarie
ArPharazonV: brb, gonna make meself
one of
those things we couldn't find a word for so
many meetings ago
Eonwe Valar: Part of the reason for
me
wanting Guild at the end is because we've
cut off the "Guild" in the name before, and it
hasn't turned out so great fort that group
VardaValar1: Happened twice
Grimbold V: Then why not go w/
another
"title" perhaps then instead of adding guild
on end
VardaValar1: Once was Eru's making a
split-off group when he left the Valar Guild
for a while and called it Valar, then let it fall
apart
Grimbold V: like the Flame of Valar
etc
VardaValar1: Another was in DAoC
VardaValar1: I do think we should
try at least
to say Valar since we are the Valar Guild
ArPharazonV: Valar Force
Grimbold V: Use the force Luke!!
Grimbold V: err...oops wrong movie
*smirk*
VardaValar1: In neither case,
however, was
it the fault of losing the word "Guild" I think
Eonwe Valar: I'd like it to be clear
that when
someone joins the group, they're not just
joining the WoW group, they are joining the
Valar Guild as a whole
VardaValar1: ahh, good point
VardaValar1: But you do not feel
saying
Valar is enough to get that across?
VardaValar1: Might be true
Grimbold V: Then I believe it will
be our jobs
as recruiters to refer them to the valar guild
website and emphasize on the importance of
how big we really are outside of WoW
VardaValar1: Good thought, Grimbold.
VardaValar1: The DAoC people never
really
joined the wider group
VardaValar1: They even divorced from
Tolkien, our main glue
ArPharazonV: we could just use the
forum
and the meetings to plan ahead our
movements in WoW
VardaValar1: We went with non-rp
server to
allow us to keep Tolkien
Eonwe Valar: Ah, responsibility of
the
recruiters and the scouts :} Good :} and it
will be everyone's responsibility to make
sure the new members learn to do this as
well :}
ArPharazonV: which would practically
force
them to join in
VardaValar1: That's a good thought,
Phar
VardaValar1: Since we are already
doing that
in the Forum and meetings, that could help
indeed
VardaValar1: A guild chat channel
has a
tendency to supplant those things
Eonwe Valar: Speaking of which,
after we
complete the charter, I thought we'd have a
chat about some things for concerning the
WoW branch (in AIM)
VardaValar1: The guild chat channel
is not a
bad thing though, if we use it right
Eonwe Valar: aye
VardaValar1: In DAoC, they kept to
strict rp
and did not allow our usual freedom of
speech
VardaValar1: We would not be that way
VardaValar1: We have learned the
hard way
Eonwe Valar: aye
Grimbold V: More freedom of choice
in
WoW I have noticed
VardaValar1: They could have had it
in
DAoC on a different server
VardaValar1: That is why we picked
this
kind
ArPharazonV: I've got another idea
Grimbold V: some people I have met
are
more into RP and others I've met aren't...I
can speak w/ both easily, which
helps...cause some people who try to RP
just shouldn't
ArPharazonV: although it may not
completely
fit our general policy
VardaValar1: Just say it, Phar : )
ArPharazonV: we could use different
rankings, for wow-only members, and
members who have integrated in the guild as
a whole
ArPharazonV: those fully integrated
would
have more priviliges, perhaps, in the
WoW-group as well
VardaValar1: I can't go with that.
VardaValar1: We discussed this before
ArPharazonV: basically establish
'rewards' for
those who integrate...
Grimbold V: I can see problems
arising from
that..but I think it is a good idea....
VardaValar1: They can't come into
WoW as
guild members until they come into the guild
as a whole
VardaValar1: Otherwise they are only
friends
Grimbold V: But I do not have the
experience
from other games to comment further on
that
ArPharazonV: well, that's true, of
course...
VardaValar1: But you should mention
anything bothering you now!
ArPharazonV: but I don't have that
kind of
experience either
VardaValar1: Later could be too late
Eonwe Valar: We've discussed this,
sort of a
Guild friend rank, but there is no real benefit
for the member,.. why be a guild firend for
one group when you can be a full member in
another group?
ArPharazonV: aye, all right
ArPharazonV: yes, I remember
discussing this
earlier
VardaValar1: Council has sweated
through
EQ and DAoC set-ups and crashes
VardaValar1: so we are willing to
tell you our
sad discoveries : )
Eonwe Valar: It also doesn't seem to
encourage members to actually read the
books
ArPharazonV: aye, a lotr-test would
have to
be in order before even joining the
WoW-branch
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar
ArPharazonV: but passing the test
does not
imply full integration, in any case
VardaValar1: They can put us on
firend list
before
ArPharazonV: integration is more
than
passing a test
VardaValar1: Phar, the test is set
up to let
people into any game we play and into the
forum and into the web Encyc
ArPharazonV: yes, I know
Eonwe Valar: I also think new
members
should create a new character based on
their guild name. Any disagreements with
this?
VardaValar1: They are not supposed
to be
just joining us in WoW
VardaValar1: The guild name is part
of
joining
ArPharazonV: but giving them the
ability to
integrate does not mean they actually will,
you know
VardaValar1: If they can, they
should make a
guild char
Grimbold V: Well to comment on the
creating
new char w/ guild name
VardaValar1: We know, Phar
Grimbold V: I think you will lose
more
possible members w/ that aspect
VardaValar1: We ran into this on DAoC
Eonwe Valar: If they don't actually
join in with
us, then are they really a member?
VardaValar1: They could keep the old
char
and make a new one with guild name
Grimbold V: if you tell them they
need to start
all over w/ a new char
ArPharazonV: they could just make an
alternative char for the guild, yes
Grimbold V: But if they're looking
for a guild
for that char they are playing on at that
moment
VardaValar1: The old character also
joins,
but must have at least an alt with guild name
ArPharazonV: and, like aim, use
their old
char in the guild as well
Grimbold V: like if they in the 20's
ArPharazonV: right
Eonwe Valar: We're not looking for
the
"leetest" guy in the game. If they're willing to
start over it's a sign they're also looking for
something more
ArPharazonV: uhm
Grimbold V: I see
Grimbold V: so you will allow the
old/oringal
char to join the guild as well?
ArPharazonV: but most people are not
willing
to sacrifice 30 levels of experience just to
join a guild
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, well hadn't
considered
the other char getting in
VardaValar1: In DAoC, that is how it
was
handled though.
Eonwe Valar: People did it for
Diablo and
Diablo 2
VardaValar1: True, Eonwe. Still, it
didn't
take as long to make
ArPharazonV: I have a feeling it's
easier to
level in Diablo than in WoW...
Eonwe Valar: The characters became
just as
attached as they do in WoW
ArPharazonV: of course they do...
but it's
easier to make new chars they can get just
as attached to
VardaValar1: But a character in
EverQuest
or other MMORPG may take years to
make and we will still be recruiting
VardaValar1: hmm. In D2X they could
keep
old char, but could only join guild games in
new character
ArPharazonV: it's like AIM... we
encourage
them to use new names, but joining in old
names is possible as well
VardaValar1: True, Phar
Grimbold V: and it was much easier
to lvl
cause you can be rushed in D2...in WoW
you really can't rush
Eonwe Valar: We've become lax about
that,
Phar
VardaValar1: They tend to eventually
make
ArPharazonV: and it's a LOT easier
to make
new AIM accounts than develop new
WoW characters
VardaValar1: WoW can rush. I've seen
it
done
ArPharazonV: rushing is never fun
Eonwe Valar: in bnet we'd tell
everyone they
have to make a new account with their guild
name
VardaValar1: I agree, Phar, but many
don't
VardaValar1: Aye, in Bnet they had
to make
a new account and characters. But they
could keep old ones for outside play
ArPharazonV: in War3 I didn't care
about
making a new account... I almost never
laddered, and I probably almost never wil
ArPharazonV: *will
VardaValar1: Then they discovered
they
liked guild play better
Eonwe Valar: It just seems that if
everyone
could bring in their lvl 50 characters that
would destroy alot of the point of coop and
community, as you can just bring in the lvl
50 guy to give you whatever you need
ArPharazonV: hmm... they could keep
their
old chars as guild-friends, and new chars as
guildmembers
ArPharazonV: in the end, they'll
find out for
themselves which of the two is more fun
VardaValar1: I have to mention that
in
MMORPG's it will be different. I've seen
this in EQ
Eonwe Valar: there's be no real
difference
though,.. I'd like to find a way to encourage
assitance and trade within the Guild so that
we become self-sufficient
VardaValar1: We can't make ourselves
separate as we did on Bnet
VardaValar1: We are constantly
around
outsiders
VardaValar1: We do mail to each
other and
have our forum and Sunday meetings
Grimbold V: and constantly in
competition as
well
VardaValar1: mail inside WoW
ArPharazonV: well, who knows... if
the
community is powerful enough, we could
become relatively self-sufficient, yes
Eonwe Valar: aye, but if we're all
helping out
within the Guild, and a member can get
something they need from us, why would
they go pay 80 gold at an auction? that kind
of thing
VardaValar1: We are already able to
be
self-sufficient
ArPharazonV: as long as we keep a
good
dividance of tradeskills, we could all provide
for each other
ArPharazonV: not that I mean to
force
anybody to pick certain skills, though
VardaValar1: We don't have to have
uber
stuff at low levels
ArPharazonV: but if we grow great
enough,
we'll be certain to have sufficient people for
each skill
VardaValar1: Yes, we need to have
various
tradeskills
VardaValar1: We are diverse
individuals, and
we will have diverse interests that can help
the group
ArPharazonV: we could even have our
own
auctions in our guildhouses :-)
ArPharazonV: or just small markets
ArPharazonV: like those
stamp-collectors-meetings
VardaValar1: We already trade and
sell
between each other
ArPharazonV: philatelists
VardaValar1: We use the mail system
to pass
things around also
VardaValar1: It's a lot like Diablo
: )
VardaValar1: More than I expected,
anyway
ArPharazonV: well, if we manage to
pull it off
that we hardly need to trade with the
outside, I will certainly enjoy our own cozy
guild-gatherings :-D
VardaValar1: Phar, that is indeed
what is
happening : )
ArPharazonV: no outside vendors...
no public
markets... just us
VardaValar1: Trick is to have enough
of us
online to play with each other
ArPharazonV: this is going to be so
cool...
VardaValar1: We need to be sure to
keep up
our friend lists
VardaValar1: So we need to be sure
to tell
our names, as on the Forum or email to
Maglor
ArPharazonV: Calion the Nightelf
VardaValar1: I also try to keep a
list on the
Activity page, if that helps
ArPharazonV: Arphy the Gnome
VardaValar1: And we are on Lothar
server
Eonwe Valar: Aye, and I hope that
there will
be at least enough of us in diverse levels so
as to make starting a new character worth it
due to the community
ArPharazonV: those will be my main
lothar-chars
VardaValar1: I keep hearing that our
people
play on other servers because their friends
are there
ArPharazonV: when it comes to the US
VardaValar1: How about the friends
once in
a while having to come to us!?
ArPharazonV: you're my sole friends,
for now
:-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
VardaValar1: Have at least one
character on
Lothar
ArPharazonV: I'll have 2
ArPharazonV: one in Kalimdor, one in
Lordaeron
VardaValar1: Why can't we be the
ones
dragging our heels about having to leave
Lothar?
Eonwe Valar: Well, I'm working on
convincing them, but at least one won't do it
unless I promise to make a character over
on their server :}
VardaValar1: : )
VardaValar1: Costs nothing extra, np
VardaValar1: Oh, I'm going to need
help with
this transcipt. Fell out three times and have
pieces : )
ArPharazonV: I'm here from the
beginning still
VardaValar1: Yay!
Eonwe Valar: I've got roll
VardaValar1: Oh, and about our quest
VardaValar1: Thanks
VardaValar1: Where did you want us
Night
Elves to go?
Eonwe Valar: Menethil
Eonwe Valar: Take the ship from
Auberdine
to Menethil
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Eonwe Valar: arg not again
Grimbold V: Whoa!
ArPharazonV: welcome back
Grimbold V: what happend?
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ArPharazonV: Aiyata
VardaValar1: What continent is
Auberdine?
VardaValar1: There we are again
Eonwe Valar: Mianland Kalimdor
ArPharazonV: yup, and I still have
everything
Grimbold V: Thought you wanted them
to go
to Stormwind?
ArPharazonV: I just hope you can
survive the
trip to Auberdine :-)
Eonwe Valar: You'll eventualyl get
to the
bottom of Telldrassil and have to sail/fly to
Auberdine
VardaValar1: Escorting to Stormwind
VardaValar1: south then
ArPharazonV:
Teldrassil-Auberdine-Menethil-Stormwind
Grimbold V: actually forgot
Ironforge
ArPharazonV: ah, ok
Grimbold V: have to get to
Ironforge..then
Stormwind
ArPharazonV:
Teldrassil-Auberdine-Menethil-Ironforge-St
ormwind
ArPharazonV: did I miss anything?
Eonwe Valar: How many other groups
can
claim their members get a full escort to a
majoy city? :}
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Eonwe Valar: arg
Grimbold V: what in the world is
that?
ArPharazonV: welcome back
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
Grimbold V: net split or something?
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
VardaValar1: Looks like
ArPharazonV: why are you always
late,
Varda?
Grimbold V: When are we planning
this
escort?
Eonwe Valar: It's AIM shuffling the
attendees
so that Varda's at the top :}
VardaValar1: Late to what?
ArPharazonV: lol
ArPharazonV: well, let me put it
like this
VardaValar1: AIM loves me : )
Eonwe Valar: We're planning the
escort for
Next Week.
Eonwe Valar: The escort will gather
at the
deeprun Tram in Stormwind.
Grimbold V: oh ok
ArPharazonV: let me just say, Varda
VardaValar1: Some of us have to
cross all of
Teldrassil and make it to Auberdine and
then to Menethil, preferably alive
Grimbold V: hmm cause if you wanted
to I
could escort b4 that time and we could just
sign charter next week
ArPharazonV: when you read the
transcript
Eonwe Valar: Once we're all there,
we get on
to Ironforge and hack our way to Menethil,
where the NIght Elves will be awaiting us
ArPharazonV: you'll see what I mean
Grimbold V: I have all the way
points to
menethil all I have to do is sail to Auberdine
and hoof it to Teldrassil
Eonwe Valar: If you make it to
Darnassus,
making it to Auberdine won't be a problem
VardaValar1: I made it to Darnassus
: )
VardaValar1: Phar, you mean in AIM,
ok : )
Eonwe Valar: Do you know how to bet
to the
fishing village at the bottom of Teldrassil?
ArPharazonV: yes, with the rejoining
after the
crash
VardaValar1: No, Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: Btw, you did notice you
were
in a giant tree, right? :}
VardaValar1: Yes, Eonwe : )
ArPharazonV: cool
VardaValar1: People keep trying to
mine our
tree, very funny!
ArPharazonV: like Caras Galadhon
VardaValar1: Aye
Eonwe Valar: ok :}
VardaValar1: Or Yggdrasil
Eonwe Valar: only at about 300 times
and
with the ability to hold dirt in the branches :}
VardaValar1: You know the name of
the
fishing village?
Eonwe Valar: Reth something or
other..
Eonwe Valar: Near the bank in
Darnassus, to
the left, is the way down
ArPharazonV:
http://strategy.worldofwar.net/news.php?id=
24
ArPharazonV: how's
this?
Eonwe Valar: You should have a quest
or 2
that take you to Auberdine by that time
anyway
VardaValar1: I will find it. Have a
pretty
good idea
Eonwe Valar: once you hit somewhere
in the
teens
ArPharazonV: for any starting
zone-travel:
use my guide
VardaValar1: 12 now
ArPharazonV: well, not my guide
ArPharazonV: but the guide I just
linked to
Eonwe Valar: you can check the map
by
hitting M for major sections of the city, or
ask the guards for direction to get a flag on
your map
ArPharazonV:
http://strategy.worldofwar.net/news.php?id=
24#link13 try this
ArPharazonV:
Shadowglen to Ironforge
ArPharazonV: screenies included
Eonwe Valar: Hve you been given a
quest by
the Archdruid yet, Varda?
VardaValar1: no, Eonwe
VardaValar1: O cool - most difficult
for
Night Elves
Eonwe Valar: hmm
Eonwe Valar: should be soon
ArPharazonV: lol
Eonwe Valar: when you find him :}
VardaValar1: Give me some time, I am
trying
to do all the quests for each area I hit
ArPharazonV: heheh
VardaValar1: I'm a hunter. Will an
Archdruid
talk to me? : )
Eonwe Valar: np so do I :}
ArPharazonV: I've been trying to
organize a
system for my quests as well
Eonwe Valar: THE Archdruid will :}
ArPharazonV: so far, I haven't found
any
flaws
VardaValar1: So this little jaunt
will toast my
system, but worth it : )
ArPharazonV: but I still haven't
entered the
game yet, so who knows :-)
VardaValar1: o good. THE Archdruid,
ok
Eonwe Valar: My only problem as a
Paladin
is atm I have no range with which to pull
enemies, so catching them alone is hard :}
VardaValar1: To do quests, have to
run back
and forth between towns, which picks up
more quests. heh
Eonwe Valar: One sec, I'll give you
a name to
look for :}
ArPharazonV: The trip from the Night
Elf
starting zone to Ironforge is the most difficult
and time consuming of all the trips between
the starting zones.
VardaValar1: I heard it before, can
find it
ArPharazonV: It involves passing
through a
level 20-25 region and usually 3 to 4 deaths
and takes between 40 minutes to an hour.
VardaValar1: I love a challenge, np
ArPharazonV: well, good luck, I
guess :-)
VardaValar1: ouch
Grimbold V: not that long
VardaValar1: I will be wisping a bit
then
Eonwe Valar: Fandral Staghelm
ArPharazonV: From Menethil Harbour,
follow the road and head east. Stay on the
roads all the time and dodge the level 20-25
enemies wandering near the road if you can.
VardaValar1: ahh, have heard of
Staghelm
ArPharazonV: You will most likely
die about
1/3 of the way to the graveyard. Ressurect
at the Spirit Healer in the graveyard and
proceed to head south towards Dun Algaz
(a mountain pass to Loch Modan).
ArPharazonV: You will die a few more
times
on the way, perform corpse runs by running
to your corpse from the Spirit Healer and
ressurecting.
ArPharazonV: well, however you do
it...
keep the screenshots coming!
Eonwe Valar: Bah, no fun to expect
death :}
VardaValar1: Spirit Healer rez's
drop 25% of
armor durability, which already stinks since I
use leather
ArPharazonV: that's what the escort
is for,
Eonwe
VardaValar1: I generally go find my
body
Eonwe Valar: Exactly Phar :}
Eonwe Valar: so that no one has to
expect
death :}
VardaValar1: I share the account
with 4
other people. So I usually get on every other
day
ArPharazonV: always expect death...
leave
no room for disappointment :-)
VardaValar1: I have no illusions. I
expect
death, but won't worry about it
Eonwe Valar: well, when I say
"expect death"
I mean use it as a means to get something
done :}
VardaValar1: I will try to fight for
the comp
or better yet, just ask, after supper : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArPharazonV: this is a really good
guide... I'll
be sure to use it when my time finally comes
VardaValar1: Hoping to see some of
you
later tonight : )
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VardaValar1: Aiya
ArPharazonV: oh, Varda, how about
these
comments
Eonwe Valar: bah, my screenshots are
in tga
format
VardaValar1: I read them on the
guide and
on your comments
ArPharazonV: A quick comment that
was
helpful to me, and maybe useful for others
who don't go to travel right away.
Grimbold V: Welcome back Arathorn
VardaValar1: Thanks
ArPharazonV: Store all your
durability items
at a bank on one end, then pick them up
once you're passed the danger areas. No
durability concerns at all, then.
Grimbold V: how are the wings?
ArPharazonV: oh, how about this?
VardaValar1: I'll manage, no worries
: )
ArPharazonV: From Menethil Harbor:
Swim
west following the coast. Once you reacher
the far west of the continent start swimming
south for about 2 min, and then fatigue
yourself.
ArPharazonV: You are now resurected
in
westfall, by sentinal hill. Quickly run east to
Goldshire and you are ready to rumble.
ArPharazonV: :-)
ArPharazonV: I have also heard that
it is
possible to swim from Menethil Harbor
down to Westfall. It takes time but is safer
than the land route.
ArPharazonV: you could swim...
VardaValar1: I might run along with
Grimbold as escort too : )
Grimbold V: hmm swim??
Grimbold V: why
Grimbold V: just hoof it
VardaValar1: I swim pretty well
ArathornValar: tga can be changed to
anything with the right progam...
I've got photoshop if you want me to
convert
Grimbold V:
w/ me and a possible friend
interested in the guild as escort... he is lvl
28.... I think we can do it
Eonwe Valar: hmm let me see if I can
do that
with mine,.. knowing my luck that ability
was part of the trial period
VardaValar1: I can probably do it in
any
case, but the company sounds like fun! :-)
Grimbold V: besides he is also
pally so he can
rez as well
ArPharazonV: I wish I could be
there...
ArathornValar: you can download
graphics programs for free too
VardaValar1:
Paladins are good news : )
ArathornValar: Photostyler maybe?
Forget the name :-\
ArPharazonV: there's a good
difference
between watching screenshots and actually
being at the event itself :-(
ArathornValar: Paintshop! that's it!
VardaValar1:
The tabard borders didn't look
that great
Eonwe Valar: Bah, I had paintshop
pro 8, but
it's over the trial period
ArathornValar: hmm... downlaod
another? :-P
ArPharazonV: I've got paintshop pro 8
ArPharazonV: and it works fine,
after this
time
VardaValar1: Maybe dark purple to
keep
from clashing so much? We do wear other
colors
ArPharazonV: I think I downloaded it
from
Kazaalite
VardaValar1: or goldy yellow
ArathornValar: like purple :-)
ArathornValar: purple and gold go well
ArPharazonV:
aye, purple and gold is
beautiful
VardaValar1: Scouts forever ;-)
ArathornValar: er.. so what's
happening.. I don't see anyone in
WoW :-(
ArPharazonV: purple and gold... the
truly
royal colors
ArPharazonV: I'm not Pharazon the
Golden
for nothing :-)
VardaValar1: So that's a
possibility. Flaming
sword with gold and purple. Sounds kind of
Valary :-)
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: I'll be there tonight
:} btw
Arathorn, you would happen to be working
on defias looters and such would you?
VardaValar1: Suggesting, not saying
ArathornValar: O, btw I made a new Elf
hunter to play with Grim again...
Arathornia :-P (and anyone else
startign out :-))
Eonwe Valar:
See, we'll always have
someone with low lvl chars :}
VardaValar1: Thanks
ArathornValar: yes! Need help with that
too
Eonwe Valar:
even if it is me with my one and
only char :}
ArPharazonV: aye, how is Auros doing?
Eonwe Valar: lvl 17,.. just got
Redemption
ArPharazonV: ah
ArathornValar: Well, Eonwe us
Schizophrenics need to keep all our
personalities happy :-P
Eonwe Valar: hehe Arathorn
ArPharazonV: when I really get into
the game
I'll have 4 really distinct characters...
VardaValar1: Aye, always low level
characters. Reminds me of D2X again ;-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArathornValar: Ok, well, I'm going to
WoW then and make some armor for
my other chars (then mail them). I'll
wait for you all in there... may
bounce between chars at first in
case you wonder why I'm not
around.
ArPharazonV:
Night-Elf rogue (dagger),
Gnome Warrior, Undead Rogue (bow),
Troll Priest
Grimbold V: I'm off to WoW as well
hope to
see you there
ArathornValar: Namarie all!
ArPharazonV:
Namarie
Grimbold V: Namarie
ArathornValar: and my wings are almost
ready too! :-D
Eonwe Valar: hf :}
ArPharazonV: you gonna fly?
VardaValar1: Namarie
VardaValar1: Arathorn, what class?
Grimbold V: there isn't just 1
class w/
Arathorn lol
VardaValar1: hunter, got it
Grimbold V: yea he's making leather
I believe
VardaValar1: Arathornia, NE hunter
ArathornValar: chicken wings silly! :-P
Grimbold V has left the room.
VardaValar1: NE Hunter female is
what I am
too, heh
ArathornValar: roight now I'm in as
Harana human warlock (female)
VardaValar1:
Too bad you're not a guy ; )
VardaValar1: j/k
VardaValar1: I'm off for now, hope
to be in
WoW later, connection allowing
ArathornValar: er .. thot I was ...
<snicker>
Eonwe Valar:
take care :}
VardaValar1: Namarie, and please
send
transcript
ArPharazonV: Namarie
ArPharazonV: sure will
Eonwe Valar: I'll send a copy of the
roll
before I go to WoW
VardaValar1: :-D
ArPharazonV: if you receive it, mail
me
tomorrow
VardaValar1: Will do
ArPharazonV: or tonight... your
choice
VardaValar1 has left the room.
ArathornValar: My transcript is a mess
so I'll leave it to trusty Ar-phar to
send a complete one (I got bumped
too often today :-\)
ArathornValar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: Ah, Eonwe
ArPharazonV: would you still have an
answer
for me?
ArPharazonV: did Frodo actually kill
anybody?
ArPharazonV: ah, you were there in
the
beginning...
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV has left the room.
GwaihirValar has left the room.
FallenGlory has entered the room.
ArPharazonV has entered the room.
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: well, I guess this is
it, I'll be
saving...
ArPharazonV: and Aiyata
Eonwe Valar: afk for a ec
ArPharazonV: saved
ArPharazonV: will be sending now
ArPharazonV: well, Namarie to you
all... 3
ArPharazonV: I'm off to bed
ArPharazonV: have fun in WoW
ArPharazonV has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: back
Eonwe Valar: that was a long sec :}
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